However, I have found that usually such posts are all but completely ignored. Until recently.
I have gone through numerous paradigm shifts and changes in my beliefs for the past five years and the influx of these shifts, new ideas and knowledge have greatly accelerated in the past two years or so.
It all started with my first pregnancy. Being completely new to parenting, I of course felt like a stranger in a foreign land and was willing to go with whatever people told me was normal and the thing to do in regard to my health care and the birthing of my baby. The one exception being my choice to use nurse midwives as opposed to a typical OBGYN (A decision I made for myself at a very young age, and which I have inexplicably always felt very strongly about.)
At any rate, I was ready to have my baby in a regular hospital and the choice of getting an epidural seemed like my only real option since everyone I knew seemed to think that it was the only sane thing to do.
Then my dear sister who'd had her first baby only a couple of years before and hadn't had the option of an epidural due to having rods in her back from a previous surgery presented me with the idea of hypno-birthing. She wondered if I would be willing to consider it for my own birthing since she wished she had known about it before her own. I read up on the idea which lead me to doing a lot of research and for the first time in my life, my eyes were opened to the danger of blindly following what the mainstream consensus is without doing one's own research.
For those of you who care, I also received strong spiritual confirmation that hypno-birthing was right for me. So I bought a study course and practiced the system so much that when I was in the throws of birthing waves the midwife who had just come in to replace my midwife from the night before, marveled to my husband, "Woah, she is textbook."
After an amazing birthing experience I received less than perfect postpartum treatment from nurses who, in retrospect, seemed rather hostile to be allowed to tend to a weak and exhausted young mother who had just had her first baby naturally.
I mention this only because it contributed later to my decision to have my second baby in the comfort and safety of my own home, an idea that I would never have imagined I could be okay with, but once again I opened my mind to the idea that I ought to do my own research before completely discounting an idea.
Once again, the research not only rang true and changed my paradigms, but that choice is continuing to be confirmed by both personal experience as well as new scientific study. Having said that, let me emphasize that these decisions are based solely on my own choices and what I know to be right for me. I completely acknowledge the important role that the medical system plays in millions of lives. I am not telling anyone that they should consider natural home birth as the only right option. I knew it was right for me as a fairly healthy, low risk, young mother with no pre-existing conditions.
Back to the story of my first child, she had all her regular pediatric visits and we followed the book as far as getting all her shots and having her immunized by two. You have to understand that she was an extremely healthy, even robust baby, (being born an ounce under eight pounds, and never dropping below her birth weight, as well as continuing to this day to range in the 90th percentile for her age.) but over time I began to notice more and more health problems cropping up in her. She is very prone to both skin problems as well as getting sick easily. She also has an extremely short attention span and there have been random acts of uncontrolled aggression in the past, as well as other behavioral problems.
I would not be sharing this if I did not feel it relevant to the issue at hand. It has been painful for me to have many other mother's talk to me about my daughter as if they are trying to say that they think she is mentally not right. Most recently another Mom basically told me that my child has ASD. I was shocked and hurt that someone who doesn't even know my child would try to diagnose her. Still, it got my mind working and I began to wonder and pray a little to understand if I should even consider such ideas enough to research and find out if it could be true, which honestly, I felt reluctant to do at first. I mean what Mom in their right mind wants to be told her child has a mental disorder?
Within a matter of days I find this article which rings completely true for me and aligns with all of the other eye opening truths that I have been discovering in the past year or so. It also seems blatantly obvious after reading the article, that my oldest daughter could very well be suffering from the effects of toxins administered to her as a baby through the needles of vaccines that where meant to protect her.
My second daughter, as I mentioned, was born at home and has never been vaccinated. This is not actually because I actively chose not to. (Though I knew of others who had chosen not to, and sometimes vaguely wondered if there was something to that.) Our financial circumstances at the time of her approaching birth were such that they largely contributed to our choice to look into the possibility of birthing at home. These same circumstances made birthing at home also appealing because we didn't have a car seat, couldn't immediately afford one and knew we would not be allowed to take out baby home without one, so having her at home in the first place made a lot of sense. (For those of you who are wondering, yes, we did have medical insurance at this time.)
These of course were not the only reasons we chose this route but I will not deny that they were contributing factors.
I bring up the financial point only because this also contributed as to why we never got around to vaccinating our baby. I wasn't against it, but after our regular pediatrician moved away immediately after our eldest's final immunization, and we had trouble finding a new pediatrician (the one recommended to us was no longer taking new patients.) combined with the fact that suddenly having two children instead of one changed things enough that while we often mentioned that we really ought to go in and get her shots taken care of, it was repeatedly put on the back burner, and what do you know? Two years have passed.
At the age of two our second daughter is remarkably different than her older sister, and I'm not talking about the obvious age difference. She has never had the skin problems her sister is still dealing with or been as prone to getting sick. She has an amazingly long attention span even for a child older than her, and she has no apparent behavioral problems. I grant that this may be pure coincidence. It may be simply that the two girls have different personalities. The thing is, if I really think about it, their actual personalities really aren't that different, only the maturity with which they handle the same situations. I may be completely up in the night, but I feel that I cannot completely ignore the evidence that my own experience has provided. As you can see by the evidence I am currently living with, perhaps you too can see why I feel justified in leaning toward the side of this issue that I am leaning.
Oh, I guess it's also relevant that during my second pregnancy a friend of mine shared this article which led me to the decision to refuse the flu vaccine despite the then current swine flu paranoia and the fact that I was offered the vaccine at every single prenatal visit until I switched to my home birthing midwife. I know you can get vaccines at an affordable rate, in this case, money has not been a contributing factor in my not getting vaccinated. After reading this article I decided to forego the flu vaccine and instead try supplementing with vitamin D to see if that would prevent the flu. It has been two years and I have not had the flu since.
So, with all this in mind I shared a link to this article about vaccines on Facebook. That was on Friday, December 9, 2011 at 11:25 AM. By Friday night I had not only received 17 comments on the post but I was approached by at least three people at my ward Christmas party who all had something to say about it. One of whom told me to delete the post and never post anything so controversial again.
To this I say, I am not afraid to state opinions or ideas that I am considering anymore than I am afraid to consider other peoples ideas and opinions. Bring it on!
It is now Monday December 12, 2:44 PM I myself have not yet commented on the post but I already have 27 comments (some from repeated commentators) and at the current rate there may be more to come. This probably shouldn't have surprised me due to the controversial nature of such a topic, but it did surprise me, mainly I guess, because of the lack of attention given to my controversial posts of the past. I figured that if people don't like what I've shared they simply won't comment on it, they are welcome to roll there eyes and proceed down their news feed. Maybe that's just me though. :}
Yet, what surprises me more is how obvious it is which of the commentators actually read the whole article and which simply assumed they knew what it was about based solely on the title.
Please friends, let's not insult both my intelligence and yours by ever commenting on an article you have not fully read.
It is insulting to my intelligence for you to assume what I share is not even worth reading before you try to contradict it.
It further makes your own intelligence look rather lacking to post a comment which blatantly shows that you did not read the posted article, yet are accusing others of ignorance and closed mindedness. If you can't bother to read the whole article, please do not bother leaving a comment. Thank you.
That being said, I will now respond more directly to the comments I received. I apologize that it has taken me three days to respond, but I wanted to read all of the responding articles that my commentators posted (and then some) before responding. I would like to think that others would offer me the same courtesy when responding to any related links that I post.
First of all, Rob, the Lancet article you mentioned may have been debunked and it is pretty pathetic that some guy fudged his facts. However, I cannot find any relation other than the topic at hand that relates the article I posted with the Lancet's 1998 article. As far as I can see everything linked in the article I posted was based on new research publish this year.
I do appreciate the information you've shared, especially the second article about how the reality is, there needs to be more research done. Like the writer of the article, I am not about to claim that I am completely "Anti-Vaccine." In fact, I would encourage everyone to read this article.
I am certainly not about to discount anyone's views as irrelevant. I will not deny what vaccines have done for people in the past. I acknowledge the importance they have played in all but eradicating horrible diseases as well as the fact that God surely revealed such knowledge to men in order to benefit us on our journey to improve our lives.
Conversely, I do not trust the FDA any further than I could throw them. As they already allow horrible toxins and carcinogens into our food, cosmetics and cleaning products, not to mention pushing drugs with terrible side effects through the system (without testing) for public use; only retracting them when people start to die or become debilitated enough that they can no longer get away with offering with it.
Even products that are marketed as "healthy" and are fully approved by the FDA have been found to be laced with known poisons such as arsenic, mercury, lead and cadmium.
Honestly, does it really seem like such a stretch that they wouldn't refrain from allowing dreadful, mentally debilitating toxins into otherwise helpful vaccines?
I understand the concept behind using a small dose of a given disease to build up the bodies immunity, but if they're going to add toxic ingredients which may alter my babies still developing brain, which in turn my cause both her and her parents grief for the rest of her life, am I really being a responsible parent (in being informed of the risks) to allow that to happen to her?
Of course I know that my children are dependent on me for protection and as such it is my right to use my intelligence to question anything that could potentially harm my children, whether the threat be immediate or otherwise. I will do whatever it takes to ensure that my children have the best life experience I can possibly offer them. If ASD or ADD are a more immediate threat than polio, I may choose to avoid the one and trust to God to help us avoid the other. Yes, Autism might be the lesser of two evils, but I'd rather avoid all evils rather than willfully pressing even a lesser evil on a helpless child who has no say in the matter and is looking to me for protection.
As Marcus pointed out, vaccines may not effect all children the same way, so it makes sense to me that in cases such as this, each parent ought to be prayerful and find out what the Lord's will is concerning them regardless of what another righteous parent may have received. (D&C 62:8)
Some commandments are given to all, but where the Lord has not given specific commandments it is probably because the answers would vary between differing circumstances. The only one who knows if one child would suffer adverse effects from a vaccine as opposed to another child, is God.
How many of us can actually claim that you have studied out this matter and considered both sides AND prayed to know the truth concerning our own family? My guess is not many, not because we aren't good prayerful people, but because it is so easy to passively trust what the mainstream opinions of the world dictate to us. No one is above being deceived so I beg that instead of arguing with each other over differing views, that we instead unite in seeking the truth, considering all sides and evidences and praying for the spirit to manifest truth to us when and wherever we find it so that none of us may be deceived. I strongly feel that now is not the time to sit idly and blindly and unquestioningly following what the world has told us is normal and what everyone else is doing. If everyone is doing it and a government which no longer seeks to protect us strongly condones it: Absolutely will I question it!
There are times to follow and there are times to seek your own path. While I would certainly want my children vaccinated if they were to visit a foreign country where such horrible diseases are still prevalent; as my current living conditions do not immediately threaten us with small pox, I will thank my Father in Heaven for this time and the opportunity I have been given to search out the truth and if necessary, demand higher standards (new and better, non-toxic vaccines) be put into place before I allow some stranger to stick a needle into my baby for the sake of a fear fed paycheck.
I am truly appreciative of all who read through the article before commenting as well a those who posted further information. I will continue to research and consider all evidence before I make an absolute decision. Of course relying on the spirit to guide me.
These are contentious times and it is so easy to get angry, I thank you all for striving to be civil despite differing feelings about this controversial topic. Thank you again for the shared information and concern. I am perfectly open to receiving more evidence as to the truth behind vaccines. Especially if you can answer any of the questions in this article I found today. I'm not a medical scientist and really would like to know if anyone out there can help me find the answers to these questions. Thank you all so much for your help!
May the truth set us free.
~Julie :}
Julie! You have a blog! And I found it! I sure enjoyed reading your story- it's amazing how much I think we think alike. I may have shared my story with you before, but in quick summary, I excitedly chose a midwife and homebirth from the beginning, then had complications, was taken to the hospital, went through nearly 20 hours of labor without pain meds (using some hypnobirthing techniques too!), then found out that I was the one that, do to rods in my back from a previous break, was ineligible for an epidural and when it came right down to it, I ended up with a c-section under general anesthesia. SO not in the plan. On that note, I'm grateful for modern medicine and doctors, but hope to go natural again in the future.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the issue goes about vaccines, I too am torn. I wish I knew more and was better at this "personal revelation" stuff. I feel 100% uncomfortable with following any main-stream recommendation without questioning it, but I also don't feel like I know enough to be able to support going against it. I can tell you this, I plan to read up on those articles. We opted out of any vaccines until Thomas was 6 months old, then only got a few of the recommended ones. Now I find myself questioning all over again. I know there are pros and cons to both, that there are good parents on both sides of the issue. In fact, i think I could talk and talk and talk on the subject and still find myself unsure.
Anyway, good food for thought. Guess I've got some reading to do! Thanks for sharing your story and your thoughts and insights. Especially for sticking to a search for truth and understanding. That's a big deal.
I read the entire article (and most of the comments on that article) in your Facebook link before I commented. I also read the entire article you linked to in this post.
ReplyDelete(Incidentally, you say that the article you posted on Facebook doesn't cite the falsified Dr. Lancelet autism study. No, it doesn't. But the article does talk about autism and so I think Rob's point was still relevant. And I didn't see any studies of autism cited. It does include the claim that (1) autism isn't found in the Amish, (2) a doctor that says in 30,000 to 35,000 unvaccinated patients he doesn't believe there has been a case of autism, and (3) a statement saying there are cases of autism in unvaccinated children, but they aren't severe cases. So, the article is suggesting a link between vaccines and autism using circular logic. At no point are the claims compared to the vaccinated population.)
I thought the Facebook discussion was (mostly) a civil discussion with people sharing their view points and, in many cases, backing those view points up with references or links.
I am sorry someone told you that you shouldn't have posted something so controversial on your wall. I think that's ridiculous - they have the choice to respond or not, or even to unfriend you if it really bothers them. However, I think if you felt like putting it out there then you also are opening up yourself to opinions - whether they agree with you or not. Personally, I am almost always open to reading and discussing views with people or articles that disagree with me because it either reinforces my own view point as I review the arguments against and search to find answers to them or it gives me reason to reconsider.
However, I do feel like one common assumption of people that argue against vaccinating is that those of us that do vaccinate are sheep that blindly follow the doctors, CDC, etc. without doing any research. I resent that assumption and feel like I have done a lot of research on this. In addition to reading on my own -- and carefully considering the source of the information -- I, like most women, have also gotten information from people I know and trust. I have a very dear friend that works for the CDC in Georgia. Her job - coordinating efforts to take vaccines to third world countries. I have another friend that works for the Salt Lake Valley Health Department that I mentioned in my facebook post. I also have a friend of a friend (and yes I talked to her personally, it wasn't passed on) whose baby nearly died of whooping cough that was caught from an unvaccinated person by a baby too young to be vaccinated. Frankly, their personal experiences and research have affected me as much as anything I have read. As you mentioned, your personal experiences have affected you more powerfully than anything you have read. That's human nature - personal experience is a powerful teacher.
I disagree with Paul who said that parents don't have the right to make this decision. I think that our country was founded on personal freedoms and I personally believe in your right to choose what you think is best for your child -- even if I don't agree with it. If we stop protecting the rights of parents to make decisions for their children, where would it end? I believe parents have an obligation to FIRST, protect their child and SECOND, protect the greater good, society, etc. I think both are important, but since a parent is the only one that will truly fight for what is best for their child, the first outweighs the second if they are in conflict. And, so, even though one of my reasons for vaccinating is the greater good, herd immunity, etc., I believe that if you don't see that as outweighing your child's best interest, that is your right.
I am intrigued by the idea of responding to the 9 questions in the article you posted. Personally, I am confident that I can answer them to my satisfaction - in fact, I already know the answers that work for me and my family, it would just take some time to back them up with links to the data. However, I'm not sure that it would make any difference to you. See, the thing about this debate - and, really, most heated debates, is that there are assumptions, values, experiences and beliefs on each side and it is difficult to separate those from the facts and data. I've neglected my children for far too long, but if I get some time in the next day or two, I'll do it anyways just for the sake of discussion.
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